** UPPW-11 ** Dear Armel With the new datasets for UPPW-11, all the previous difficulties evaporated and both the synchrotron and lab d8 datasets were solved quickly (5-10 minutes each) using Crysfire's default settings, giving the same monoclinic cell with volume c.1038 A**3. Without exception, this cell correctly predicts various minor profile peaks that were not included in the peak lists supplied, so I'm very confident that it's correct. ** Cell ** Synchrotron data (39 WinPLOTR peaks in CELREF v3) - esd's on line 2: Zero Lambda a b c alpha beta gamma volume -0.003 0.69950 8.8805 16.4077 7.1379 90.00 93.86 90.00 1037.691 0.0025 0.00000 0.0035 0.0063 0.0029 0.000 0.002 0.000 0.036 The same cell was found quickly by KOHL, ITO, FJZN, DICVOL and TREOR, often several times, with figures of merit of up to 160 (KOHL). Lab Bruker d8 data (40 WinPLOTR peaks in CELREF v3) - esd's on line 2: Zero Lambda a b c alpha beta gamma volume 0.004 1.54060 8.8828 16.4206 7.1489 90.00 93.86 90.00 1040.386 0.0021 0.00000 0.0012 0.0022 0.0016 0.000 0.002 0.000 0.034 This cell was also found quite quickly, but only by KOHL and DICVOL, with figures of merit of 50 and 49 respectively. Presumably the synchrotron-based version of the refined cell is to be preferred, though in fact the lab-based cell has smaller esd'd. ** Spacegroup ** Although Chekcell's "best group" module recommended P2(1)/n, P2(1) gave only slightly calc lines and would be preferred if the molecule is chiral (I don't have that information). ** Why the previous datasets failed ** With these new results, it immediately became apparent why the original two datasets failed to index: both samples contained additional low-angle lines (presumably from another phase), and were also only moderately accurate. Thus, for the 35-line ICDD 43-1748, Bernstein & Zevin (1992) dataset, only 12 of the first 20 lines belonged to the correct phase, and all the first 4 lines were extraneous. Similarly, for the 24-line ICDD 46-1964, Kountourellis (1995) dataset, 3 of the first 4 lines were extraneous. In addition to these mixed-phase data problems, the cell itself is not quite straightforward, since it exhibits a dominant row (b is approximately twice as long as a and c). That makes it a bit more difficult for most indexing programs, which generally don't incorporate special routines to handle this type of case (as most now do for dominant zones). With best wishes Robin Shirley