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            <p>On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:15:15 &#43;0200 (CEST)<br>
  Lubomir Smrcok &lt;<a href="mailto:uachsmrk%40savba.sk";>uachsmrk...@savba.<wbr>sk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt; we have been using Stoe Stadi_P for 16 years and have <br>
&gt;never encountered <br>
&gt; problems with positioning.  My advice for you is to read <br>
&gt; technical manual, part calibration ... Second, changing<br>
&gt;the origin of a <br>
&gt; spgr can hardly change indicated positions of the Bragg <br>
&gt;diffractions, so <br>
&gt; there is not the problem ...<br>
<br>
well, reflection conditions for special sites (only one in <br>
Si)? ;)<br>
<br>
&gt; lubo<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Lujun...@EKM wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt; Hello, All:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks to the suggestion from Prof. Gottschalk, i took <br>
&gt;&gt;(1/8,1/8,1/<wbr>8) origin instead of (0,0,0). It is much <br>
&gt;&gt;improved and it shows the calibration sample has no <br>
&gt;&gt;problem, but current match cannot be better enough.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Nevertheless, whether the device's state was suitable <br>
&gt;&gt;for refinement analysis or not is still unclear, and i <br>
&gt;&gt;still doubt whether the peakshapes produced by the device <br>
&gt;&gt;can be well descriped by type-3 parameters.<br>
&gt;&gt; Moreover, i am also doubting whether this rough <br>
&gt;&gt;parameters, as shown in the webpage, are somehow <br>
&gt;&gt;reproducible for other materials when all the measurement <br>
&gt;&gt;conditions are the same.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; The discussion webpage has been updated, please see more <br>
&gt;&gt;pictures via:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/~lujun/";>http://www.physik.<wbr>uni-augsburg.<wbr>de/~lujun/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Faithfully<br>
&gt;&gt; Jun Lu<br>
&gt;&gt; ----------<br>
&gt;&gt; Lst. Prof. Lijie Qiao<br>
&gt;&gt; Department of Materials Physics and Chemistry<br>
&gt;&gt; University of Science and Technology Beijing<br>
&gt;&gt; 100083 Beijing<br>
&gt;&gt; P.R. China<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.instrument.com.cn/ilog/handsomeland/";>http://www.instrume<wbr>nt.com.cn/<wbr>ilog/handsomelan<wbr>d/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Lst. Prof. Loidl and Lunkenheimer<br>
&gt;&gt; Experimental Physics V<br>
&gt;&gt; Center for Electronic Correlations and Magnetism (EKM)<br>
&gt;&gt; University of Augsburg<br>
&gt;&gt; Universitaetsstr. 2<br>
&gt;&gt; 86159 Augsburg<br>
&gt;&gt; Germany<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/exp5";>http://www.physik.<wbr>uni-augsburg.<wbr>de/exp5</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  ----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt;&gt;  From: Matthias Gottschalk<br>
&gt;&gt;  To: <a href="mailto:sdpd%40yahoogroups.com";>sdpd...@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;  Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:58 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;  Subject: Re: [sdpd] calibration problems with <br>
&gt;&gt;Silicon&#43;gsas<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  In spacegroup F d 3- m there a 2 origins.<br>
&gt;&gt;  Put the Si on 1/8 1/8 1/8 instead of 0 0 0.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  The Stadi P is a brilliant instrument (curved Ge<br>
&gt;&gt;  monochromator, PSD). We use it (2 of them) in <br>
&gt;&gt;conjunction<br>
&gt;&gt;  with GSAS now for 14 years without problems. However <br>
&gt;&gt;some<br>
&gt;&gt;  crystallographic knowledge helps when doing Rietveld<br>
&gt;&gt;  refinements.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  Matthias Gottschalk<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:09:03 &#43;0200<br>
&gt;&gt;  &quot;Lujun...@EKM&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jun.lu%40physik.uni-augsburg.de";>jun.lu...@physik.<wbr>uni-augsburg.<wbr>de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Hello, crystallographical experts:<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; i had never got a satisfying refinement solution for<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;my interesting materials, so i began to doubt our <br>
&gt;&gt;X-ray<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;device (STADI-P, STOE Company): was it capable of<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;structural refining or just not well calibrated? This <br>
&gt;&gt;is<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;the motivation for my calibration refining work.<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; The raw data was collected and can be easily indexed.<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;i was happy for a while, but when the refinement work <br>
&gt;&gt;was<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;tried, i became dispointed. Whatever i tried, the <br>
&gt;&gt;match<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;betrween raw data and calculation was always bad: <br>
&gt;&gt;there<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;were no calculation intensities in some positions <br>
&gt;&gt;where<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;should be, and in other positions also were there no<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;experimental peaks where should be.<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Would anyone like to point out some reasons for such<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;situation? In particular, the most important question <br>
&gt;&gt;for<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;me is whether our STADI-P device suitable for <br>
&gt;&gt;refinement<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;experiments or not. If so, i have no choice but to <br>
&gt;&gt;throw<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;away all my previous refinement work. :(<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; All the related files has been attached along with <br>
&gt;&gt;this<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;mail (raw data with raw format, gsas format and ascii<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;format; instrument data where parameters are estimated<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;using CMPR programme; one well-cited published CIF <br>
&gt;&gt;file<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;for silicon; and the hkl files after indexing with<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;PowderX).<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Your reply will be quite appreciated.<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;Faithfully<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Jun Lu<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; ----------<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Lst. Prof. Lijie Qiao<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Department of Materials Physics and Chemistry<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; University of Science and Technology Beijing<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; 100083 Beijing<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; P.R. China<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; <a href="http://www.instrument.com.cn/ilog/handsomeland/";>http://www.instrume<wbr>nt.com.cn/<wbr>ilog/handsomelan<wbr>d/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Lst. Prof. Loidl and Lunkenheimer<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Experimental Physics V<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Center for Electronic Correlations and Magnetism <br>
&gt;&gt;(EKM)<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; University of Augsburg<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Universitaetsstr. 2<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; 86159 Augsburg<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; Germany<br>
&gt;&gt;  &gt; <a href="http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/exp5";>http://www.physik.<wbr>uni-augsburg.<wbr>de/exp5</a><br>
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&gt;&gt;  &gt;<br>
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	    margin: 0 0 1em 0;
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	    clear: both;
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		font-family: Verdana;
		font-size: 77%;
		margin: 0;
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	  border-top: 1px solid #666; 
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	}
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		margin-bottom: 20px;
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	}
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		font-family: Verdana;
		font-weight: bold;
		color: #333;
		text-transform: uppercase;
	}
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		margin: 2px 0;
	}
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	  clear: both;
	  border: 1px solid #e0ecee;  
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	  color: #ff7900;
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	  text-align:right;
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		background-color: #e0ecee;
		margin-bottom: 20px;
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		margin: 0;
	}
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		padding: 6px 0;
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		text-decoration: none;
		font-size: 130%;
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	  background-color: #eee;
	  margin-bottom: 20px;
	  padding: 0 8px;
	}
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		padding: 8px 0;
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	}
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	}
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	}
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